First of all, thanks for not flaming me. I wanted to come back and respond to some comments and expound on this a little bit more. Because a lot of people are reading who don't normally read here, and who don't have a feel for who I am, I thought I'd fill it in a bit.
I am a gut-wrenchingly honest person. In my real life, some of my friends call me "The Diplomat" because I say what I think, but in a very careful way. Here, this blog, this is my place to open my mouth and let what is fighting around in my brain tumble out. I try never to swear because my mother reads, and I try to never hurt any friends through the airing of my frustrations, (and unfortunately I still have) but I consider this my place to work out my process. That's not always pretty. It also means that it is a PROCESS, and that I will admit here, the extremes of my thinking, not necessarily the thought out, measured, end result.
Thank you very much for your comments. I'd like to pull out bits and pieces to respond to.
Susan said:
(If I don't want my child's community peering over my shoulder as I parent, I can just adopt a child in complete isolation from their culture. That's a choice I can make.) Yes, you can, but please don't do that.
Real connections are what I'm after. I think music, food, holiday traditions, etc are important, but they are not what actually connects a person to their culture. Time spent with others is. I also think that a familiarity of the language of origin, if not fluency is also extremely important. Inability to communicate with kinsman is huge in people not connecting with their roots.
In regard to intentionally adopting a child in alienation from their culture for my comfort, I would never do that. It goes against everything I believe in. My statement came from my emotional reaction over realizing how much power of choice I have. I've thought about it a lot before, but somehow being here, I am FEELING these truths on a deeper level and that is impacting me.
Cloudscome said:
...I feel the need for black friends who will call me on my blunders. One of the great things about the church we moved to a couple years ago - I'm building friendships in families that meet this need. In my old all white church I could go my merry way oblivious until my boys were old enough to realize what they were missing.
... I hadn't thought about the accountability side of things before, which strikes me as absurd now that you point it out. It really is a huge privilege to be able to avoid that kind of scrutiny, and therefore it's one to guard against even more assiduously.
In Nashville, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I was in the grocery store with my son. His hair was pretty long at that point and I'd run out without fixing it. It was a windy day and his hair was messy, but not a mess. The girls checking me out (in the fancy place I shopped, most of the staff was black but most of the patrons were white) were asking about my pregnancy and when they heard I was having a girl they said "well, if you're having a girl, you'll need to learn how to do HER hair."
That was the closest thing to a criticism I received from the black community.Alice again:
...I also think that we give too little weight to *children's* lack of agency generally. Children who are born into a family also don't get a choice as to their parents...
Adoption has many, many additional elements at play that will factor in, but the fact that our adult relationships with our families are *all* built on mutual choice is an issue I see very few people discuss...
You're right, and I've argued the same point. The reason I think the dynamics are different in adoption is that my son has another family. Many people grow away from, or intentionally separate themselves from their families, but there is not the dynamic of choice between two families. I've heard so many adult adoptees say they waited to search for their first parents until after their adopted parents passed, or that they wanted to search for years but didn't want to hurt their adoptive parents, even when they say their relationship with their adoptive parents is a great one.
In open adoption where there is ongoing contact (visitation), the child is building real and meaningful connections to both families. And in the case where a child doesn't know their first family, the romanticization of their existence can grow even stronger. I think many children and teenagers fantasize about having a different family out there somewhere, but for an adopted child, that is true. That is why I think the relationship has inherent vulnerabilities, because there is another family out there and your child might ultimately find more in common with them. It's not something I'm afraid of, but I am aware that my child will have needs that I can't fill, and that his first family might be the place he turns to to have them filled.
Amie said all sorts of nice things about me (see, I told you she's the best!) but let's talk about these:
...I understand what you are saying about your white privilege in general. What I can't comprehend (probably because I have only lived here) is how that is different in the US than it is in Australia...I find it interesting that you feel your power as a white woman being deflated, and realizing how much privilege you actually had...
...is this a legitimate concern culturally when you think about the environment your child would be raised in? Will there be a stigma on the child that he/she is "adopted" in this culture, and therefore the child may be treated differently or even shunned by the culture? Will the CHILD be scorned if they are not up to snuff as a member of that community, and also would that also be the case if they were BORN into the community in the first place due to the whole collective culture mentality? Maybe the accountability factor would be there regardless.
I am sure that racism is here (I've seen a little already), and we all know that white privilege is alive and well pretty much the world over. I think the difference was, in Nashville I knew what that looked like, how it tinged my interactions with others, and how I was trying to live outside of it. Here, I'm in a snow-globe that's just been shaken and I'm trying to sort out what's what.
I've never lived in a place with such a high ratio of ethnic minorities to european ancestries. So I think, for starters, I'm justing getting used to being in "mixed company" ALL OF THE TIME, if that makes sense? I'm sure my privilege is still there, I just can't see it at work for me because I don't know the culture.In regards to adopting an Asian child and navigating the "collective culture mentality", it is a very interesting thing to consider. Back in Nashville, I never really considered adopting a Chinese child, one reason among many being that the only Chinese people I knew of in Nashville, were Chinese girls adopted by middle to upper class white evangelicals (Steven Curtis Chapman being at the front of that movement). So, as far as I could see at face value, THAT was the Chinese community in Nashville, and it didn't seem fair to bring a child into a situation where they had no peers or role models.
Beyond the issue of isolation, there are cultural values to consider. I know that adoption of a non-blood relative is a foreign concept to many Asian cultures, even though the informal adoption of kin is not. At this point I wouldn't begin to know what it would mean for a child from any of the cultures I mentioned to be adopted by white parents and then re-introduced to their culture here in Sydney.
Finally, Mayhem said:
...Not blowing off your concerns at all, but you did JUST move about two seconds ago to a new country and culture(s). Maybe in a few months or a year things will feel different regarding potential acceptance of you, your family, and a potential child by the community around you. Maybe it won't feel different. But don't be too tough on yourself or other people too quickly!
You're right that there is no one to hold adoptive parents accountable for keeping kids connected to their culture or community of origin. (Other than *maybe* the adoptees themselves once they're grown.) It is a privilege, and good to acknowledge.
Whew, thanks Mayhem Mama! I don't need to figure it all out today. :) But back to what I was saying at the beginning, this is not my POSITION or anything, just some feelings I had to get honest about before I could move foreword. It will be really interesting to find out how people feel about adoption here. We see lots of mixed race couples with their biracial children, and I feel like that is a good sign. I have yet to see any obvious adoption relationships though.
Coming to the realization that no one is holding me to my intentions, which I think are right on, was kind of shaking.Well, this is about beaten to death, isn't it? I'd like to come back in a different post and talk about our choice to move here that took us away from a significant black population to a significant diverse population in general, and what benefits we hope our children will gain in being here.
...She managed to make real connections with her children's (Korean) community. I think she is a true inspiration and role model in this area.